Below is the podcast “Innovation Beyond the Legal Sphere” from the Legal Talk Network interview following my panel presentation at the ABA National Summit on Innovation in Legal Services on May 3, 2015. I had the honor of speaking on the panel with Judit Rius Sanjuan and Denis Weil. Manny Medrano was the moderator of our panel, and Legal Talk Network producer Laurence Colletti interviewed all of us for this podcast. My part of the interview starts at minute seven. I discuss the ecosystem of barriers to innovation among other points brought up in the full presentation to the Commission.